I still don't salute the American flag, but not because of belief in the WTS's reasons.
It's the expection that I must make a public display of my patriotism on demand that riles me up.
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Do You Believe In ANYTHING That The Witnesses Taught At This Point In Your Life?
by minimus infor example, they pride themselves in what they don't believe such as immortal souls, the trinity, hellfire, etc.. some exjws still believe it is the "truth" and support the basics.. .
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For those of you still in going to the meeting on Sunday, anyone wearing green?
by andys ini am curious what the reaction would be, would anyone notice, like if you had some green on, either it be a green tie, or green shirt, do you think anyone would say anything?
to everyone on here happy st patricks day!!
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<------------- I wear green every day, even though I'm not Irish. Or human.
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In All Honesty Would You Have NOT Given Blood To Your Child If He or She Needed it?
by minimus inas a "faithful witness", i never had to deal with this on a personal level.
i imagine the pressure must be extreme with the elders and others "supporting" you to do the right thing.. do you think you would have given blood to your family member, especially your child if you were in that situation..
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My instant insight when my son was born -- that I would never hesitate to give blood to save his life -- was the moment I decided to get out of the cult.
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Question about talking to JW
by darklight ini was raised atheist and never believed in any religion.
i've been studying the watchtower religion with a younger jw couple for some months now.. my main motivation was the fact i knew nothing about christianity, they knocked on my door and offered their "bible" study... so why not learn something, i thought.. .
and yeah, this is one crazy cult.... .
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"But honestly they ARE good humans, and I feel sorry that they are destroying their life and children with this ##"
The very fact that they ARE destroying their children's lives demonstrates that they are NOT "good humans." Also consider that they will let their child die before allowing a life-saving blood transfusion.
AND, if anyone leaves their religion for ANY reason, these "good humans" will act as though that person never existed, even if it's one of their own family.
"My question is, are these people so brainwashed that they are unable to think anything without the watchtower?"
Yes, they are that brainwashed. Read some books about cults -- you'll recognize the braindead dub profile immediately.
"Is it possible to plant small seeds of doubt into their mind?"
You can try, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to change.
"Or should I just say thanks but no thanks and let them figure it out themself (doubt that will ever happen)"
If you enjoy baiting dubs, keep going with the study. At the very least, the time they spend with you is time they don't spend with someone who might actually buy into their crap.
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Shunning is good for you!
by 00DAD inyes shunning is good for you!
i did not understand this before, but i know it now.
sometimes when i'm feeling a little down-in-the-dumps, a little depressed, i go outside for a little fresh air and some shun-shine.
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Shure glad you have a good attitude about shunning, OODAD!
Trying to extort someone back into belief (as if that were possible) -- it's a clever policy, WTS.
But it has nothing to do with love.
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It,s time to fight back, this is getting out of hand.
by jam inany suggestions to bring a end to the attacks on us who have.
left the borg and continuing efforts to alienate our love one still.
in the borg.. how about this, we all send letters to hq, flood the mail room with.
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Suggestion: For every letter that goes to the WTS, make sure that at the bottom you put:
cc: New York Times, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, etc., etc.
Making sure the media gets the message will make it much more difficult for the WTS to shred and forget.
TS: "It doesn't have to be like this and it wouldn't be so if all of you would come back to Jehovah. Taste and see that he is good."
I wouldn't taste him if he showered for an hour and was dipped in chocolate and rolled in nuts.
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Transitional Fossils indicate early birds flew on four wings - Nature
by cantleave insorry it's cut and paste ...................... .
nature 14 march 2013modern birds have two fewer wings than their ancestors.. instead of two wings, the first birds might have used four feathered limbs to stay aloft, according to research published today in science1.birdlike dinosaurs, such as microraptor and sinornithosaurus, are known to have had long, sturdy feathers on their hindlimbs2.
but until now, researchers were not sure whether the earliest birds had already abandoned this extra plumage when they emerged to take to the cretaceous skies over 100 million years ago.. the researchers, led by xing xu, a palaeontologist at the institute of geology and paleontology in shandong, china, found evidence of feathers on the hindlimbs of 11 basal bird specimens (gathered from the lower cretaceous jehol group in china)3. on some of the individuals, these feathers appeared to be veined flight feathers that stood perpendicular to the leg bones, similar to those in the basal bird archaeopteryx.. one specimen, attributed to the sapeornis genus, had at least one hindlimb feather longer than 50 millimetres.
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It's feathers I need, more feathers
for the life to come. And these iron teeth
I want away, and a smooth beak
to cut the air. And these claws
on my wings, what use are they
except to drag me down, do you imagine
I am ever going to crawl again?
-- Edwin Morgan,
The Archaeopteryx's Song (1977)
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Going to the meeting tonight ARGH!!!! So wanna end this pain NOW!
by Julia Orwell ini'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!
i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.
i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.
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Julia: " but I want my husband to wake up to them as I have, not become a martyr to his 'apostate' wife and be an object of pity in the congregation. This is freakin' doin' my head in!!! "
On one hand -- what the congregation thinks about your husband.
On the other hand -- your sanity.
Doesn't seem hard to me to see which is more important.
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Project: I need help finding Watchtowers that show hate, prejudice, and name-calling.
by Emery ini know there are a lot of examples to choose from but i want to find wt references that are the most blatant.
the printed evidence can be a great resource to all, including jw lurkers who fact-check.. .
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Emery, I don't have any ammunition for you, but this thread may give you an idea of the kind of weapon you can shoot it from.
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An Approach to Wake Up JW Friends
by Emery inokay so for a while now i have been developing an idea to help expose the truth to certain jw friends without forsaking my identity.
the idea involves sending an anonymous email to someone with an attachment.
to do this you may need set-up a new email account (if necessary) without any traces of your real name or location during sign up.
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It's certainly worth a try. But your example is a little flawed. Dubs may not know Ray Franz's name, but they will recognize "Crisis of Conscience" and start frothing at the mouth.
Let us know how this works out.